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叙利亚危机与美国情报局   

2015-11-24 16:48:28|  分类: 默认分类 |  标签: |举报 |字号 订阅

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    叙利亚危机与美国情报局:
外网传一份美国国防情报局的报告



A partially-declassified DIA report brings disturbing details about US support for jihadists in Syria. What kind of game is the US government playing in the Middle East?

    一份部分解密的美国国防情报局的报告揭示了一些美国在叙利亚扶持伊斯兰圣战主义者的细节。这令我们很不安,因为我们不知道美国政府在中东究竟玩的是哪一手。

    Ron Paul: Hello everybody and thank you for tuning in to the Liberty Report. With me today is Daniel McAdams. It’s good to see you Daniel.

    荣·保罗:各位好!谢谢你们观看《自由报告》。今天和我在一起的是丹尼尔·麦克亚当斯。丹尼尔,很高兴见到你。

    Daniel McAdams: Good to see you Dr. Paul.

    丹尼尔·麦克亚当斯:你好,保罗博士。

    Ron Paul: I want to talk a little bit today about a declassification of a report, a DIA report, Defense Intelligence Agency report that was written in 2012 and has to do with what was going on as the war was expanding in Syria and try to clarify what our policies actually were regarding this area. It turns out, it’s really pretty sad, it turns out that the evidence is here; although the suspicions had been there that our government was following a policy that seemed to be deliberately helping ISIS. Of course, the other day we recognized that the bombing that we’ve agreed to recently is to bomb the Kurds, but not ISIS.

    荣·保罗:今天我想略微谈谈一份美国国防情报局部分解密的报告。这份报告写于2012年,与当时正在叙利亚境内逐渐扩大的战事究竟是为了什么休戚相关。该报告试图说明我们在该地区实际执行的是何种政策。虽然对我们的政府的政策是不是在故意帮助ISIS还有怀疑,但是看过这份报告之后真的令人相当难过,因为所需要的证据都在这儿。前几天我们刚刚承认我们同意丢的炸弹炸的其实不是ISIS而是库尔德人。

    Here back then we were picking sides and this report tells us a little bit about it and the interview was on Al Jazeera and the former director Michael Flynn. He was being interviewed and he was revealing this information. Actually, the interviewer thought this can’t be true and he wanted to give Flynn a chance to soften it, it can’t be this bad for America to be in this position. Then, when they looked at this and found out that indeed there is a lot of information, but I imagine Flynn has a lot of information and knowledge being the director of the Intelligence Agency.

    回到主题。这份报告告诉了我们一点点有关我们正在选边站的信息。当时那次采访是在半岛电视台进行的,采访对象是前负责人麦克·富莱茵。麦克·富莱茵揭露了这些信息。不过采访的记者确实认为这些信息不可能是真的,并且还想给富莱茵一次机会去缓和一下:对美国这样一个国家来说它不能做坏到这个份上的坏事。然而,当他们看着这个,并发现确实存在大量信息,不过我猜想富莱茵作为这个情报机构的负责人是掌握着大量信息和见闻的。

    Daniel McAdams: The Defense Intelligence Agency sort of serves the same purpose that the CIA does for the President. They serve that purpose for the military, for the four branches of the military. They provide both analysis and even operational forces. They are, sort of, a shadow CIA, whereas it might sound wasteful, in fact with intelligence sometimes having duplication is better because you get different perspectives. If you remember the 2007 CIA or the Intelligence Assessment of Iran was really important.

    丹尼尔·麦克亚当斯:可以说美国国防情报局和中央情报局一样都是为这个总统服务的。他们为军方服务,为军方的四个分支机构服务。他们提供分析甚至提供军事力量。他们有点像中央情报局的影子。这个话听上去很浪费,但是实际上情报机构有时最好需要双份,因为你可以得到不同的观点。如果你记得2007年的中央情报局,或者针对伊朗的情报评估,就会知道这样做的重要性了。

    Ron Paul: Right.

    荣·保罗:很对。

    Daniel McAdams: And the State Department Intelligence took out a footnote which is that they disagree, so duplication is important, but Flynn was not only the head of the DIA, he was also the head of the Joint Special Operations Command, which is an increasingly important and well used part of the military under Obama. I think in these two capacities he certainly was in a position to know and the question is why would he come forth at this time. We don’t know exactly, but we do know that there are some people from within government, we talked about people like Manning and we talked about so many others who tell us inconvenient truths and I think Mike Scheuer falls in this category, he followed Osama bin Laden for so long and he finally came out and told us why everything they were doing was wrong. Maybe this has something to do with it.

    丹尼尔·马克亚当斯:美国国务院的情报部门除掉了其中一个他们不同意的脚注,所以说留个备份很重要,但是富莱茵不仅仅是美国国防情报局的头头,他同时还是“联合特种作战司令部”的头头。这个司令部在奥巴马的手下正在变得越来越重要,并被作为军方的一部分而频频使用。我认为有着这样两份才能的他一定处在一个知道一切的位置上。现在的问题是为什么他在这个时刻现身。准确地讲我们不知道为什么,但是我们确实知道存在一些从政府内部来的人。我们谈论的人,比如曼宁。还有许多我们谈论过的其他人告诉了我们一些不方便透露的真相。我认为麦克·舒尔就属于这类人。麦克·舒尔追踪本拉登很久了,最后他跳出来告诉我们为什么他们做的每一件事都是错误的。也许这次也有关。

    Ron Paul: This reminds me of the confusion in ’07 I guess or we are leading up to the Iraq war and the trouble that Colin Powell got into. Does he get convinced, does it get confusing and all this, but literally it’s the lying that counts and so many times we lied into wars and this looks like we are working on this. The immediate response to this by the establishment insiders who are the experts and the CIA and their credentials are questionable compared to Michael Flynn’s. They go to them and they say this is all bunch of fluff, these are conspiracy people and they are working on something. Also, a website which is pretty prevalent now, that’s The Daily Beast and they have Jacob Siegel there that writes on this and he comes down very hard on anybody releasing and talking about this information it doesn’t mean anything. I think it’s up to us to help people sort this out and find out what is true and what is not.

    荣·保罗:这让我想起2007年的一些让人困惑的东西,当时我想我们正要打伊拉克,而那是一个鲍威尔陷进去的麻烦。他被说服了吗?还是对所有这些感到迷惑?不过那确实是让我们打仗的谎言。许多次我们说着谎话去打仗,还看上去仿佛我们很喜欢打仗一样。业内人士——就是那些专家和中央情报局——立刻对麦克·富莱茵的言论作出了回应,不过他们的资格与麦克·富莱茵一比就很可疑了。他们走过去说这全部都是台词失误,这些都是事先预谋好的,这些人就是为此工作的。还有一个现在很流行的网站——就是《每日野兽》。雅各布·西格尔为该网写作。他严厉批评那些公布并谈论这些信息的人,他认为这些信息一钱不值。我认为帮助人们辨认并找出什么是真的什么是假的完全取决于我们。

    丹尼尔·麦克亚当斯:我认为政府中有些人相信这个世界不过是他们的棋盘,他们能随心所欲的到处移动棋子。因为在他们看来在这里支持ISIS会让他们的工作功德圆满,就像他们在阿富汗支持穆斯林圣战游击队一样,所以他们就会在在这里支持ISIS。当事情没有按照他们的设想发展时,也不会有任何痕迹将罪名指向他们。这些事实让我清楚美国政府知道一切。富莱茵说:‘我的分析被甩进了下水道。没有人注意它。’他们要是看出这是个重要的家伙就好了。

    他们知道发生了什么,他们知道美国一直在支持ISIS,他们为了战术策略方面的原因而明显不是意识形态方面的原因支持ISIS崛起。我们之前谈论过这个形式。昨天国务院简单介绍了美国在叙利亚推动了ISIS,而ISIS则在暗中颠覆叙利亚。这一切的原因不过是美国想让阿萨德滚蛋,所以他们将那一地区变为一场灾难。不过即使是此刻国务院对该地区发生的事情还在大言不惭地撒谎。国务院发言人特纳昨天还在说:‘因为阿萨德制造了叙利亚人民今天不得不面对的一切,所以全都是阿萨德的错,阿萨德就是所有恶魔的根源。’他还说:‘阿萨德政权帮助制造了这个无法无天的地区,才让ISIS有可能在那里生根。’我认为后一句话是他的重点。

    荣·保罗:我们的政府为了权力,为了让人民理解这个、并对此作出反应,真是太露骨了、太露骨了、太狠了。讲出真相是困难的。(好吧,以下为Paul的政治立场)美国政府越大、这个帝国越大,他们就越是撒谎。在这个谎言的帝国中真相就是罕见的珍宝。还记得苏联时代的那些声明吧,那个时候他们总是讲真话的(好吧,人老了),因为党就是讲真话的。

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